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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 08:21 PM
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What advantage is there in the esterfied creatine over the old creatine monohydrate?
I just doesn't seem useful due to it costing more.

I seriously want intelegent replies, because I am seeing no real advantages when I look past the claims.
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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 08:25 PM
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My understanding in Layman's terms, is that your body absorbs CEE better than mono. All I know is that I see better results from CEE than I ever did from Mono.

Besides, if you look around you can find CEE cheaper than the mono you are used to buying.

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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 10:56 PM
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The difference between CEE and regular creatine is that CEE has an ethyl ester attached. The main effect of this modification is to increase the lipophilicity of creatine, which makes it so it more easily passes through cell membranes. It is argued that esterfication of creatine prevents creatinine conversion in the GI tract, increases intestinal absorption, and perhaps even allows it to enter muscle cells through passive transport.
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Posted: Aug 31 2005, 11:24 PM
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I don't remember the exact claims of CEE, but I'll offer my feedback based on my experiences:

(Not that this matters, but here's some background about me: I started lifting weights almost 20 years ago. I've never taken anything illegal, but I've tried everything from bee pollen, to gamma oryzenal, to other ridiculous nonsense. Out of all this crap, the only supplement I tried that clearly resulted in strength gains was creatine. Read on.)

Roughly 4 years ago, I decided to try creatine mono. During my first cycle, I experienced substantial strength gains. However, my subsequent cycles weren't nearly as productive. The only side effect I ever experienced while taking creatine-mono was with my shits. I'm grateful that I never experienced muscle cramps, but I dreaded trips to the bathroom. They left my ass feeling completely raw. If there's such thing as liquid fire, this must be the substance that made its way out my anus. This sensation got old, so I thew out my creatine-mono roughly 2 years ago.

About a month ago, I decided to give CEE a whirl. (I'm currently supplementing with Cre-Ethyl THUNDER and ON's whey protein.) While taking these supplements, I can honestly say that I've experienced the most substantial strength gains of my life. I haven't "maxed-out" yet, but based on the weights I'm working out with and the reps I'm doing, my bench press is undoubtedly the strongest it's ever been. My shits no longer burn. However, I should mention that they're not exactly clean, either. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I was able to take a shit with only 1 flush's worth of toilet paper. I'm not sure if my messy shits are due to the types of food I'm eating these days, my evil addiction to dipping/chewing tobacco, and/or my supplements.

Anyways, all in all, I'd have to say that CEE is the most effective supplement I've ever taken based on my current experiences.

Oh yeah, here are a couple more things I like about Cre-Ethyl THUNDER:
1) You don't have to go through a "loading" phase--I noticed strength gains almost immediately. (I think this applies to all CEE. Not sure, though.)
2) Cre-Ethyl THUNDER is in tablet-form. Just down them w/ some water, and you're good to go.
3) Supposedly, you don't have to cycle CEE. From what I understand, you can take it daily til the day you die (provided that you continue to work out regularly).

Hope this helps.
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Posted: Sep 1 2005, 07:34 AM
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Someone can correct me if i'm wrong, but to get more out of creatine mono you need to use it with carbs(although there are other methods). CEE can be taken without any(i'm guessing because of it ethy attachment).

Don't know if anyone has mentioned, but cramping and stomach distress isn't likely with CEE compared to reg mono. Also the Amount you take(2grams to 4grams daily) is easier to take in cap form. Creatine Mono usually requires 10grams daily(which is a buttload of caps)

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Posted: Sep 2 2005, 04:38 PM
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Why would it matter if it absorbs faster. Once you get topped off, that is it.
No matter how absorbable the creatine product is.
Even if it can get more creatine in the cells your body can only use it so fast.
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Posted: Sep 6 2005, 08:31 AM
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Posted: Sep 6 2005, 09:47 PM
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Like some one earlier said, you dont have to load and it is more absorbing. With mono, your body would process it out before you obsorbed it. So the faster, easier it gets to your muscle, the better it works. You also dont have to use an insulin transport like mono....anyone ever look at the sugar serving on CELLTECH? 75 grams per serving!!! ohmy.gif
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Posted: Sep 6 2005, 09:59 PM
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Kre-alkalyn is 100% absorbable, no loading phase, no water retention and bloating, no stomach cramps, pill form, and is cheap as hell. I can't image a better creatine. monohydrate, ethyl ester, citrate, malate, whatever. Nothing is more absorbable b/c it is ph balanced.

I'm not a bodybuilder I just lift a lot.
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Posted: Sep 6 2005, 10:46 PM
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Speedster00 brings up a good point that might not be obvious to some.... I'll try to explain it in another way (as I understand it):

-Once your muscles are fully saturated with creatine, you're able to achieve substantially more powerful contractions (ie, lift harder).

-Your body can only "absorb" creatine at a certain rate.... The rest of it gets excreted.

-Because creatine-mono [supposedly] gets absorbed less efficiently than CEE, you have to "load" creatine-mono in order to get your muscles to the appropriate saturation point. (Once saturation is achieved, kick-ass workouts ensue.)

-From my experience, when creatine-mono came out my ass, it was in the form of fireballs. This is why I'm particularly grateful for the "no loading" aspect of CEE: I don't have to take mass quantities of creatine, so I don't end up shitting fireballs.

FYI, when I was trying to figure out if I should try CEE a few months ago, I remember many people saying that you don't have to bother with CEE if creatine-mono is working fine for you.

However, if creatine-mono doesn't seem to be helping you go balls-out during your workouts, your muscles might not be sufficiently saturated with creatine. If this is the case, I'd suggest giving CEE a try instead of pumping more creatine-mono into your body. Just my humble suggestion.
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Posted: Sep 6 2005, 11:06 PM
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You also dont have to dose as high with Cee to get the same effects, overall cost is less, performance is better and sides are less. Its probably about as close to a perfect sup as you will find.

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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE (Chris DeSPain @ Sep 2 2005, 04:38 PM)
Why would it matter if it absorbs faster. Once you get topped off, that is it.
No matter how absorbable the creatine product is.
Even if it can get more creatine in the cells your body can only use it so fast.

with CEE you do not need as much for that fill to happen. Cost wise better, easier, no load, etc

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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 01:31 PM
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so how often do you take CEE, and when? My bulk nutrition container that I just got sais 1/4 teaspoon = 560mg. So how many mgs before workout. How many after?

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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 01:59 PM
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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 02:20 PM
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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 03:42 PM
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QUOTE (Fishdog @ Sep 7 2005, 01:59 PM)
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thanks man, its my girlfriend, cept she has 3 tattoos on her back now. I'll put up a pic of both of us..she's way hot!


So anyone going to answer my question? :-)
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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 06:27 PM
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i do about 4 grams a day spread out through 3 doses. MOrning , Afternoon and Bedtime. On workout days I take about 45 min before workout.

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Posted: Sep 7 2005, 07:21 PM
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QUOTE (Debaser @ Sep 7 2005, 12:42 PM)
...its my girlfriend, cept she has 3 tattoos on her back now. I'll put up a pic of both of us..she's way hot!


So anyone going to answer my question? :-)

I'm sure you'll get much quicker answers after you put up pics of your girl.

So put 'em up.... Please? rolleyes.gif
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Posted: Sep 8 2005, 09:37 AM
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Debaser................ 2 grams pre....2grams post
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Posted: Sep 8 2005, 11:58 AM
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Is mono better for weight gain?
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