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Posted: Apr 26 2004, 06:41 AM
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I had a question about doing a stack of M1T at 10 mg ed and 1,4ADDiol at 500 mg ed.

Weeks 1-2 and 7-8 M1T 10 mg/ed
Weeks 1-8 1,4 ADDiol 500 mg/ed

Week 9 Nolva 40 mg/ed
Week 10 and maybe 11 Nolva 20 mg/ed

I read a few posts about using the M1,4AD at 30mg ed with M1T but, and maybe I am just looking in the wrong place but I couldn't find anything about the regular 1Fast bulk 1,4ADDiol powder being used.

From the article by Sphongled, I read that a low does was 300-600 mg and a mild dose was 600-1000 mg, as such I figured that while stacking with M1T 10 mg/ed a higher low dose would yield decent results. Or should I jack up the 1,4ADDiol to a higher dose when I am not on M1T, something on the order of 800 mg/ed? Or scrap it all together and go with the M1,4AD at 20-30 mg/ed?

So everyone doesn't get into an uproar for me not posting stats, here they are:

Age: 21
Ht: 5'10"
Wt: 235 lbs
BF%: 14.4%

Cycle Hist: many andro cycles (stupid high school mistake), 2 M1T cycles

Lifting experience: 7 years of lifting, 4 days per week, 1.5 hours per session, 2-3 days cardio per week usually 20-30 mins.

Diet: Decent diet, 5 days a week, hi protein (175-225g), mod carbs (around 100-150, low fat (usually under 50g). 2 days hi protein, hi carb, low fat.

If I am crazy or stupid just let me know.

Sorry about the length of the post, I just wanted to be thorough. Thanks for any replies.

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Posted: Apr 26 2004, 09:24 AM
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I am not an expert but I believe the methylated version of 1,4 ad does convert to D-bol whereas the non methylated version converts to boldenone. They convert differently based on their different structure. Also the methylated version is more likely to aromatize. Methylated versions of PH in many cases convert to very different coumpounds than their non methylated counterparts, often resulting in vastly different anabolic/androgenic profiles.
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Posted: Apr 26 2004, 01:06 PM
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Very true, you are right, thanks bro, I was at the end of my work shift and was getting kind of delirious. I didn't pay enough attention to realize that the 1Fast review was referring to the regular combo. Well, I will just have to edit that part out. Thanks again though.

I guess it isn't that bad of a conversion factor though, as most of the testers including Sledge didn't report much of any side effects, I think Sledge saw some increased acne. I would have thought that a Dbol conversion would have some pretty harsh sides.

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Posted: Apr 26 2004, 11:43 PM
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I've got a question for the really knowledgeable ones...

Would it be best if I used the 1,4 AD dione for the small amount of estrogen which could help with gains, or should I stick to my original plan and use the diol that doesn't aromatize? Thanks

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Posted: Apr 27 2004, 05:24 PM
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People have reported better results with the dione

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