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 | QUOTE (sld @ Apr 23 2004, 04:40 AM) | | i was always under the impression that the effect of methylated substances was does dependent! ie. per milligrams ingested! im basing this on all the reserch and articles on real steroids, and the fact that they are doesed at 30 miligrams and upward per day (D-Bol and Anadrol) so i wouldnt really see a problem with stacking Methyl Dien with M1t, it would only add an extra 1 to 2 mg of methylated substance per day, taking it to 11 or 12 mg per day if you are sensible! |
This is really bad/dangerous advice. You cannot compare these on an mg per mg basis. Usually, the potency of the compound is correlated with the hepatotoxicity; methyl-1-test is probably much more toxic on an mg per mg basis than Dianabol. Some of the most potent compounds like methyltrienolone would kill your liver with just a few mg.
David Tolson
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Hi everyone. I am new here but not to bodybuilding. I wanted to just drop a line to say please be careful with liver toxicity when using (especially) the methylated hormones. I'm very healthy, don't drink, smoke, drug, even gamble! And my liver was severely inflammed for two weeks following a two week cycle of M1-T. I have had no prior liver issues. Just to be safe, I got blood work done (including liver panel) prior to the cycle and was fine. I took 1/5 of the dose. (2 cc a day, not the recommended 10) and after 12 days, my ALT liver values were at 966. (Normal is 2-50, I've heard of m1-t users getting up to 140 or so two days in....). Four days after stopping it, they were at 1,400! Only now, almost three weeks later, are they returning to normal. This with 1/5 the dose, liver protection ( milk thistle, ala, etc.) and a healthy liver!?! I called the manufacturer and told them about my situation so they could "cross their t's and dot their I's regarding the marketing of this stuff. Trust me, they were very happy I called them, and not a lawyer! If you're going to use the stuff, just do your blood work so you don't damage things! Good Luck!
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fuck, thats some pretty fucked up shit, didnt ever condone/advise there use, because stuff like M1t scares the shit out of me! know people who have put on like 10 lbs in as many days, that just aint right in my book, makes me think of all the good old cliched sayings that your grampa would always use, like 'if you dont have to work for it it aint worth havin', and 'if it seems to good to be true, it is', know what i mean, even with the use of AAS, you dont expect that much of an increase, and i dont think its right, just askin for trouble, means anything else in the future will pale by comparison, shit, im happy with gaining a pound a month, as consistantly as i can, 10lbs in 10 days, has to be some price topay in the long run! p.s. if andro supps are allowed in natural compatition, then do you think that m1t is allowed? maybe in about a year we will see naturall athletes coming in 10-20 pounds heavier!
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| QUOTE (weeviekins2000 @ Apr 30 2004, 03:52 PM) | | Yep, I started pissing blood after 5 days. The doctors said I had a kidney stone, but I really don't think thats what it was. I had a renal ct, and it showed no stone, but now my piss is all clear and no more pain. The doc who called me after the renal ct wasn't my regualar doctor, but he said if I had a kidney stone I would have been in awfull pain stuck in bed. I wasn't though, just painfull enough to keep me awake at night....I don't know what it was, and obviously the doctor didn't know either, but I will bet it was caused by the M1T! |
I didn't start pissing blood, but my urine became ark when I increased to 15mg/day for 2 days. I dropped back to 10mg and continued the cycle. I was drinking about 2g of water/day. to get my urine closer to clear. I live clean as well, no drinking, drugs, smoking, etc. I just lift heavy shit at my gym  The gains are pretty nice though. Pumps are good, size adn hardness increases were good.
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can you stack this with m1t?
