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> Methyl 1,4ADDiol Tester, Days 1-5
Posted: Apr 16 2004, 02:48 PM
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Sldge has allowed me to be a tester on this board for Methyl 1, 4 Diol so here is some pertinent information.

32 Year old male. Starting weight is 207 Lbs. Been lifting since 17 years old. Used anabolics 10 years ago at college. No longer worth the risk. Currently employed in the medical field and finishing another degree related to that field. I have been currently using Methyl 1,4 AD Diol for the past four days. Starting dosage has been 10 mgs bid for a total of 20 mgs. I have kept a log since I started. Here is some of the information I feel is pertinent r/t strength, supplements, and diet regimen. This will be my first PH cycle and will be ran for 6 weeks. My start date was April 12th and will stop on May 12th.

Diet: My diet really does not typically change b/c I am on a set schedule and tend to stick to it. I do not typically drink alcohol. I work 6-12 6 days a week.

5 AM 6 egg whites with two egg yolks, 2 pieces of whole wheat toast with smart balance butter, 20 Oz H20. I try to drink a gallon of water a day but that does not always happen. Multi vitamin, 1 Gram Vit E, 1 Gram Vit C, Saw Palmetto Extract, 2 Tbs of Flax Meal Powder, 10 mg of Methyl 1,4 AD Diol with 1 cup of grapefruit juice.


9 Am Meal replacement shake. Been using the MRM from 1FAST

12PM- 10 Mg of Methyl 1,4 AD Diol with 1 cup of grapefruit juice. Then go workout. 16 Oz H20

2PM 1 Can of Tuna or Chicken with fat free mayonnaise, 2 pieces of whole wheat toast, Nuts of some kind, 20 Oz of H20

4PM MRM Shake 16 Oz H20

7PM Buffalo, chicken, fish with rice/vegetables or just salad. 1 Gram Vitamin C, 2 Tablespoons Flax Meal Powder

10PM Cottage cheese or yogurt 16 Oz H20

Workout 5x Week. This is my baseline. I am not going through the whole workout, just movements that can measure strength increases accurately. Very strict form on all movements.

Back consists of chin ups (4 unassisted). Bent over rows 2 plates (8-10 reps).

Biceps consists of straight bar 90 Lbs for 10-12 reps.

Chest consists of dumbbell flat bench 90 Lbs 6-8 reps. Straight bar incline 205 x 6-8. Dips with no weight 10 reps

Shoulders 80 Lbs Dumbbell Press 8 reps. Military Press 185-6 reps

Squats 225 for 15 reps. I don't go real heavy on legs like I used to b/c my legs just get bulky. My legs have always been muscular and they have always needed more definition than size. My friends call me tree trunk.

Jog 12 min miles. 2 miles 3-4 times a week.

Triceps consists of extensions 100 Lbs 6-8 reps

I believe my body has allot of receptor sites b/c I can use half the dosage of anything and respond very quickly to it.

Anyway, I am not much of a believer of PH but I have read allot on boards like this so I decided to give it a shot. I plan on going up to 30 mg a day if I feel it is necessary. As with any hormones, more is not better and your receptor sites can get desensitized very quickly the more you saturate them. Once they are saturated they tend to down regulate rather quickly then no matter what you take, less response.

My opinion is go with a moderate dose then slowly decrease the dosage. Whenever I see physicians prescribe hormonal medications they tend to start with a moderate dosage then decrease slowly over time. They never like to see a client come off too abruptly b/c this really screws with your homeostatic mechanisms. But everybody has an asshole if you know what I mean.

These PH are legal for the moment so it cannot interfere with my profession as of yet.

Day One: Noticed nothing

Day Two: Noticed nothing: Had a slight headache

Day three and four: I can say without a doubt in the past two days I have noticed pretty dramatic increases in some of my movements. I think my plateau has been reached for at least the last four months so this gave my body the boost it needed to go to the next level. I am also a believer if you are going to use these substances you need to be used to training natural. Some people want quick gains so they take stuff like this and when they go off they lose interest b/c it becomes more difficult to gain once you come off.

Some interesting things that have happened in the last two days.

For instance, straight bar incline. I tried 225 (up 20 Lbs but lower reps, not really comparing apples to apples) and got 4 on my third set. I put 20 lbs on my waist for dips and was able to get six reps (again, not really apples for apples comparison here either). Yesterday, I did 205(this is a good comparison to my baseline) on the military press for 4. I believe this is a mixture of the PH and pushing myself a little harder than I am used to.

Something is working though. The thing about it is I always have a hard time eating. Forcing myself to eat is not unusual. But the last two days I am hungry as hell. I am hungry right now and just got done eating six buffalo tacos (whole wheat). I for sure notice an increase in my appetitive. At this point, I am not sure if I will need to go over 20 mgs/day the way it is going.

I would not compare this to a real orals b/c the pumps are not intense and the mind boggling cockiness, powerfulness is not apparent. Some might feel this is too early to tell anything but I have enough experience to tell something is different.

I do feel a mild pump though but am not sure if this is my b/p. I am getting my sphygometer recalibrated b/c I don't want to be taking my b/p at work. I have access to a good Dr if b/p becomes a problem b/c I know this can make you gain a bunch of water weight. I also have had a slight headache but am not sure if this is from working out too hard, or bp. I have always had stress headaches originating from my neck due to job related stress.


Day Five: Stopped taking the Methyl 1,4 Diol with grapefruit juice. No headache. Can't logically say for sure whether the combination was the reason for the headache, only time will tell. Also, I have been spacing out the dosage q 6 hrs and I seem to feel better. Water weight is apparent, I look smoother. Weight is up 2 lbs, probably mostly water. Food, food, food is all I can say. I am more hungry than usual. It was smart for sledge to say he did not want anyone for a cutting cycle. It would not have worked. Was stronger today, bent over rows 235 for 8. Noticing more each day. Not getting angry or impatient like you would normally on a cycle, which I like. No one wants to hang around an asshole.

Will keep you posted. Thanks sledge for the chance to participate in the study.
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Posted: Apr 17 2004, 06:55 PM
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Day 6

Had a good workout today. Not the pump like I had yesterday but I also worked out in the morning. Everyone knows how those morning workouts can go. Have noticed a decrease in the amount of sleep I need. Will be upping the dosage to 30 mg on day 7. No headache, no grapefruit juice. Today was shoulders. Was a little tough to get through b/c it was 80 degrees out and sunny. Taking tommorow off so will post again on Monday.

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Posted: Apr 19 2004, 09:16 PM
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Day 7-8: Only took 20 mg on day 7 since I was not working out. I did not want to waste this stuff. Day 8 decided to try taking the Methyl 1,4 AD Diol with grapefruit juice. I took it with the morning dose of 10 mg. I ended up with a headache. For some reason, I am thinking me and the grapefruit juice do not agree. Anyway, upped the dosage to 30 mg today. I am taking 10 mg three times a day, about six hours apart. Did back and biceps for workout. Was not necessarly stronger, but definitely recovered faster. Was able to do the same weight, the same number of times and moved through the workout faster than normal. Noticing more of a pump. My biceps felt like they were coming out of my skin. Not weighed myself in a few days. Going to wait until day 10 to step on the scale. Really feel good on this stuff. I feel great if no grapefruit juice is used. I am noticing some size but mostly water. Appetite way up and still always hungry. Sleeping less, feeling better.

Will keep you posted.

DTR
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 06:58 PM
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I fail to really see how you are a tester, when some of us tested it at AM.com for him back in January.
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 08:51 PM
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Well Sifu,

If you bothered to read the supplements forum thread titled "M14ADDiol testers needed!!" before you opened up your mouth, you might have realized on April 15, 2004 sledghmmer wrote:

"I need 2 male testers in the 185-200lb range with moderate AAS or PH Exp. This will be for either bulking on lean bulking, no cutting. I need you to keep a log as well as diet detail and leep everyone informed on this board as to hwo yoru cycle is going. I will provide the tablets for the entire 6 week trial. If you meetthese requirements please post your info in this thread I will pick the two by Sunday night. "





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Then he wrote on April 16th:



"Ok I am going to use you 5. I will decide which are goingtodo what but what I am tryingto see is if my recomended dosing was correct. I felel 30mgs per day is where most people will get great results with min. to no sides.

A few other ideas have sparked my interest in my dosing being to low. so I will need a couple of you to follow the reg. dosing and the others to follow a high dosing pattern. if either one if these would be a problem please let me know. I will need all 5 of you to pm me with your shipping address if you agree to do one of these cycles."

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So if you have some issues regarding being the only person or group that wanted to be selected for testing some ph's, take that up with sledge; otherwise; stay off my post.

Thanks

DTR

Ignorance is bliss

Day 9: Had a shoulder workout. Went great. Did 185 for 10 for 4 sets. Got 90 Lb dumbells on my last set for 6 reps. Overall, feeling great. Still have the appetite to eat a horse. Can't wait for chest and triceps tommorow. Will weigh myself tommorow. Finding it harder to do cardio for some reason. Not sure if it's from being so hot in the gym lately.

DTR

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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 09:42 PM
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Temper, temper. Like I have time to read every post around here. How do you think he found that 30mg a day would be a good point. Oh that's right those of that originally tested it. Now get your internet balls in check and chill out little man. rolleyes.gif
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 09:43 PM
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Now why would I be bent about you testing it rolleyes.gif I tested it for him in January, and the M4OHN recently. Get a hold of yourself. laugh.gif
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 11:06 PM
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Well Sniffles, don't ask a dumb question if you don't want a sarcastic answer.

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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 11:11 PM
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Dumb question rolleyes.gif Get over yourself. It is kind of like getting sloppy seconds, if you think you are truelly testing it 3 months later biggrin.gif
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 11:23 PM
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First of all, sldge wanted tester in the thread so regardless if I am the first, fifth, twelve thousanth person testing it. I am going to put tester in the thread. The man that asked me to test it titled his thread "testers needed." I never implied I was the first person to test this holy grail compound. Man, this stuff isn't A50 it's legal.

Well if your reviews were so stellar than why would sledge have anyone else test out the product? Sloppy seconds, I will try anything for free. I have nothing to lose but free products. So what if you were the first to test the product. Props to you. I could care less. I was just happy to do something for sledge b/c he was asking for testers.

I notice from some of your other posts your in the armed forces. Don't let me find out your in the core.

DTR
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 11:34 PM
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Get over yourself rolleyes.gif My reviews on it were very good. Go to AM. com and check it out, if you know so much. Of course you will try it if it is free. It is the main reason I volunteered, I did the M4OHN because it is a awesome compound. But get off your high horse, you aren;t that important. cool.gif
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 11:44 PM
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Listen Sifu,

I could care less about who tested it first or last or whatever. I just want to get on with my posts so let's drop this stupid crap. I am sure you have other things to do than fight with some knuckle head. Okay. I don't think I am important in anyway I am just trying to do what Sledge asked me to and I became defensive when you questioned me as to why I was posting to be a tester. Also, I have read your posts on Methyl 1,4 AD Diol and they are good but again I am just trying to do what sldge asked me to do.

DTR
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Posted: Apr 20 2004, 11:55 PM
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Cool with me.
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Posted: Apr 21 2004, 09:53 PM
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Today was great. Decided to split the dosage into two time a day. Took 15 mg twice today. Felt great. Did 235 for 15 reps on squats. Chest 105 dumbells for eight. 225 incline for 6 easy. Noticing more strength. Not the pumps I was having. Weighed 213 today. Been eating great. I think overeating could be a problem for me on this stuff. NO headaches, no sides to speak of, really been a smooth ride. I am highly recommending this stuff for the non existent side effects thus far. The main reason I was willing to try this was b/c of the no sides reported on the other boards. I want to gain muscle but not at the extent of too many side effects. Am going to get a blood test done at school for 40$, a chem 18 panel, a few weeks after the cycle. Have been taking the 1fast400 liver protection and r-ala just to be safe. I know some say it can negate the effects of the ph's but I am still getting results and hopefully keeping the sides down.

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Posted: Apr 22 2004, 06:18 PM
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Day 10: Did back and biceps. Got 6 unassisted pullups-wide grip which is personal record for me. Biceps did 100 pound barbell for 8. Biceps looked really full and felt great. Just took the other 15 mg of Methyl 1,4 diol b/c I forgot to take earlier today. Did cardio for 45 minutes, about 3 miles. Cardio seems harder, I think from the increased weight gain. Wife is going out of town tommorow, so time to hit the strip club with the fellas. Anyway, will keep you posted. It will be interesting to see how NOPE does on 120 mg of this stuff. He should blow up like a baloon.

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Posted: Apr 23 2004, 01:17 PM
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yea well how is the side affects man?

sex drive?
energy?
lethargy?
pumps?

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Posted: Apr 23 2004, 02:40 PM
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Have not noticed any change in my sex drive at all. I could be the exception b/c my sex drive is always through the roof. Energy level is the same. Maybe I am a little lethargic but I am battling a cold right now. The pumps seemed to be better while taking the grapefruit juice but it gave me a headache. I can say they are not as strong as they were when I was taking the grapefruit juice. I notice a big difference in eating, I am always hungry. I notice a big difference in strength gains. Overall, I am happy with the results. This is a very smooth ride.

DTR
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Posted: Apr 23 2004, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Dtr @ Apr 22 2004, 06:18 PM)
Day 10: Did back and biceps.  Got 6 unassisted pullups-wide grip which is personal record for me.  Biceps did 100 pound barbell for 8.  Biceps looked really full and felt great.  Just took the other 15 mg of Methyl 1,4 diol b/c I forgot to take earlier today.  Did cardio for 45 minutes, about 3 miles.  Cardio seems harder, I think from the increased weight gain.  Wife is going out of town tommorow, so time to hit the strip club with the fellas.  Anyway, will keep you posted.  It will be interesting to see how NOPE does on 120 mg of this stuff.  He should blow up like a baloon. 

DTR

Yes, I am hoping to blow way up!:) I'm 2 days in and so far nothing as expected. I hope to have it hit within a week but it usually takes me 3 weeks to notice much on anything I take even at high dosages, so I'm cautiously optimistic.

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Posted: Apr 23 2004, 08:28 PM
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Just to try to fill people in why I wanted to test again, there was some talk that the dose sifu and a few other tester came up with(30mgs per day) wasnt high enough.

Some people thought 90-120mgs per day wold be better, i feel it is too high but i wanted to see if it may a big difference or not. So far DTR is using 30mgs per day and is getting exactly what you should be getting at 30mgs, i will have teh other testers using higher doses to see if there is a real difference or not. Obvioulsy the best way would be to have sifu run 3 different cycle or everyone run 3 cycles but I just dont think we have that type of time.

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Posted: Apr 23 2004, 09:58 PM
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Yes, time appears to be running out before the ban. I am anxiously awaiting my results so I know if I want to stock up on this stuff. Never done D-bol but I would like to experience that "good feeling" everyone says it gives and maybe the high dosage will do just that, Tune in to see! biggrin.gif

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