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> L -Tryptophan, it's available
Posted: Jan 22 2005, 10:41 AM
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Alot of you may be too young to have ever heard of this free form aa, but up until 1989 it was the THE supplement in the natural foods industry, used for depression. Maybe someone old enough can fill in the details about why it was banned, EMS, Showa Denko, etc., etc., etc. , it's an old story. I notice a number of people on this forum use products for anxiety/ depression. They're all a pop gun compared to Tryptophan. After it was banned, prosac came on the market shortly after, and even though L-T had been sold OTC for years, and that a bad batch from Japan caused EMS, the FDA never let it back on the market. Big Pharma strikes again! SSRIs are huge money, and the last thing Big Pharma wants is to see L-T back on the market. Why? Because L-T is converted in the brain into the magical serotonin. And no, I'm not talking about 5- HTP. Anyhow, I found a source. I take 2-3 caps w/ 2 gms. of inositol and B-6, and my Doc and I having slowly and successfully weaned myself off of Luvox. It's a God-send!

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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 11:57 AM
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I am not on any types of meds only because my g/f has taken several and I am scared that things will get worse for me. My depression isnt that bad because its only bad sometimes. Mind pming me yoru source? It would be nice to not have or smooth out the bad times.
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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 12:10 PM
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Roman good stuff man! Would you also PM me a place to get this stuff?I have had anxiety problems since I was a teen.I was actually just about to schedule a Dr. appointment then veiwed this thread and would like to give this a shot before moving on to chemicals.
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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 12:30 PM
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me also please!!!

Diagnosed with anxiety and depression disorders.

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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 12:35 PM
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It's still available to purchase for animals, just do a Froogle search.

But if this source of yours has a good price on it, I'd appreciate a PM too.
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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 12:39 PM
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Nope, this isn't from a vet source or site. I'll pm

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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 12:49 PM
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I also have been dealing with anxiety issues for a long time. If you could Roman, I would greatly appreciate a pm on that too bro.

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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 03:53 PM
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cool man, please shoot me over a pm as well... wink.gif

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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 05:29 PM
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Roman is gonna be a pmin mofo. THanks bro.
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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 07:49 PM
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Add me to the list as well
But I don't know if this will help with real life problems that are depressing me
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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 07:55 PM
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plz inform me too....



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Posted: Jan 22 2005, 10:23 PM
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Well you answered your own question about why it was banned...they claim it was due to that bad batch from Japan.


What the hell does pm mean though??

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Posted: Jan 23 2005, 11:38 AM
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QUOTE (DonDada @ Jan 22 2005, 10:23 PM)
Well you answered your own question about why it was banned...they claim it was due to that bad batch from Japan.


What the hell does pm mean though??

Private Message.....click on a person's name and a panel comes up where you can send them a PM or email
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Posted: Jan 23 2005, 11:48 AM
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QUOTE (TommyD @ Jan 23 2005, 11:38 AM)
QUOTE (DonDada @ Jan 22 2005, 10:23 PM)
Well you answered your own question about why it was banned...they claim it was due to that bad batch from Japan.


What the hell does pm mean though??

Private Message.....click on a person's name and a panel comes up where you can send them a PM or email

Oh ok...gotta pardon my ignornace on that one, I didnt realize we had a personal messaging feature on here.

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Posted: Jan 23 2005, 12:43 PM
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Has l-tryptophan not been available in the USA after the ban?

In Europe it's widely available from all bodybuilding supplement shops.
It gives a deeper sleep also. 1-2g before bed.

People also use it to replenish serotonin stores before and after using the drug ecstasy.

I have been using tryptophan now and then. I really do like it alot!
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Posted: Jan 23 2005, 02:41 PM
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L-T hasn't been available to the mass market since it was yanked in 1989. The fact that you can still buy it OTC in Europe underscores the fact that the FDA, Big Pharma, and the AMA don't want it back - there would be very little need for SSRIs. It is THE raw material we need to make serotonin. And guess what? Ever since the ban in the US, people in Europe haven't been dropping over dead from EMS! And you guys thought the pro-hormone ban was a big deal!

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Posted: Jan 23 2005, 08:49 PM
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Roman...please add me to the list as well. Have dealt with depression several times over the past 15 years...also have social anxiety issues. Thanks!

So the question is not: Why start off on such a path? You have already started off. You did so with the first beat of your heart. The question is: Do I wish to walk this path consciously or unconsciously? With awareness or lack of awareness? As the cause of my experience, or at the effect of it?
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Posted: Jan 23 2005, 09:17 PM
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Please count me in as well: Anxiety and depression to the point (or perhaps because of?) GI issues.

I have to admire everyone's honesty in admitting their anxiety, depression, and the like.

Of course, since a number of quite respected contributors to the board have posted a request for tryptophan info, I wonder if its procurement will mean reduced contributions to the board and / or reduced performance in the gym.

I had a friend who swore anti-depressants cut into his ability to physically perfrom and innovate. He was a really good hip-hop/freestyle dancer, big into the spins, popping, flips, and that variety of body movements.

Comparably, I seem to lift with more force when I have tension. mad.gif

Yet I have no way of knowing whether the psychological relief makes the lifting better or whether, in fact, I lift with improved performance.
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Posted: Jan 25 2005, 10:39 AM
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There's really no logical reason for tryptophan to lower one's gym experience (reduced contributions to the board because of tryptophan use ??!!). What is the point of living with sub-standard levels of serotonin if you think it somehow will enhance "performance" levels? L-T is not an anti-depressant per se, rather a raw material or nutrient that restores one to normal mental chemical balance. As for lifting performance, this past year, after 34 yrs. of consistent lifting, I set all-time personal lifting records, at the same time weaning my way off SSRIs (WITH my Dr.s help and monitoring), while using L-T. Actually, I've always lifted best when I'm happy, positive, etc. A depressed state or lifting with "tension" has always hindered my efforts. How does one focus, have a positive attitude, and concentrate if they feel the weight of the world on one's shoulders?

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Posted: Jan 25 2005, 11:16 AM
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psst, hey, roman.....ditto.... wink.gif Can you pm me bro?
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